Theist Vs Atheist Debate: "Does God Not Exist?"

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Theist Vs Atheist Debate: "Does God Not Exist?"

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Dear friends, here is another debate concerning the existence of God. It takes place within an Islamic faith setting. This is a very intriguing debate indeed since the atheist, in this case, is a former Christian believer and church practitioner. This former believer was in fact an ordained person who practiced and taught religion. This person knows the Bible and says that he was a very strong believer in God. But, now turned atheist he is in the business of denying the entity. The preacher turned atheist rests his case solely on logic and reason. He is a forceful and effective speaker indeed. So, sit back and enjoy this debate.

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Part two of the debate brings forth a believer in Islam. He begins with a ten minute rebuttal of everything that the atheist has presented. He calls him dogmatic and proceeds with his case against him. He wonders why the atheist denies the existence of design which is so apparent. He speaks of existence and asks the atheist to falsify his existence. God is not relative, but the Creator of all. He is the immovable mover. He is Absolute. You cannot compartmentalize God. We cannot apply our limitations to God.

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The atheist engages in a five minute rebuttal at this point. Since the Muslim above denied that Buddhists were atheists, the speaker claims again that Buddhists are in fact atheists. He speaks again to design. He thinks the world is in fact a bad design. He refers again to the gap in understanding and refers again to Isaac Newton who tried to close the gap by invoking God. Our limits is what defines us. Allah therefore cannot be a person. You have to define what God is not what he is not.

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The believer in God begins his twenty minute speech. He blames man for not seeing the perfect in God or the universe. Does God not exist? The burden is on Mr. Dan Barker. How did we become and where did we come from? We know that the universe is expanding, etc. Design is required for the existence of the universe. God is the creator of time and matter. God created the universe out of his infinite mercy. We have been created to be tried. This is for man to know, not God. Man has free will. We have intellect. Man is created in perfect form. We are constantly being examined and tested. Evil is a relative entity.

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Mr. Barker has a ten minute rebuttal. Calls the religious man a good person. I do not reject design. But, is done naturally. You have not given us any evidence only examples of our ignorance by pointing to a god. Is God puposeful and logical? God needs a designer as well. Why does God exist? I would worship God if he existed. I want the evidence. God is on trial. What about precious human life that God could have saved on 9/11?

Atheists are more moral than the believers. Hell is a threat and an intimidation. A physical threat. These religions are morally bankrupt.

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A five minute rebuttal from the Muslim. Natural selection cannot exist by itself.

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Part three is next.

This is a question and answer period.

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This is a really good part of the debate. I would give the debate to the former Christian. I am prejudiced of course, but that is beside the point. The atheist proved his metal without question. He is truly an excellent debater and brings in his arguments in a very timely and professional manner. The Muslim appears to be resting his case on philosophy and the belief in a god. I don't think that is good enough, especially when you realize that a god is not a necessary ingredient to the formation and acquisition of morality. The believer in Allah believes that to be the case and rests firmly on the idea of a first creator and the cause of all - a divine all-knowing one. He falls short in his argument especially in the area of proof. The atheist offers to become a believer if proof is available. I think that is an honest approach. The Muslim is not going to budge; he believes steadfastly in his god. And, the atheist is correct in saying that this is inappropriate as it denies one the ability to gain new knowledge.

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